i don’t believe that orange and lemons was just ‘inspired’ by the care in the big brother theme. masiyado silang magkapareho para maging ‘inspired lang’
ikaw mismo ang makinig at maghusga…
media.putfile.com/TheCare-Chandeliers/original
napakasama ng reflection nito sa pagka-pinoy natin. nakakahiya
anyways. still on copying, if you listen to the canadian national anthem, it sounds just like the ateneo’s alma mater song. there have been debates on which came first and the possibility of who copied whom.
but, it was stated in one of our song books (i don’t remember if it’s the grade school song book or the papuri song book) that it was based on the canadian national anthem. well, at least sinabi yung source.
October 31st, 2005 at 2:07 am
Pinoy Big Brother Theme: a ripoff?
There are discussions (my bro’s blog, Inq7.net, Manila Bulletin 1, Manila Bulletin 2, the rest of the blogosphere) that the Pinoy Big Brother theme song, Pinoy Ako by Orange and Lemons, was ripped off…
November 3rd, 2005 at 5:52 am
Anong inspired? Eh samantalang inamin nila sa egroup nila! Eto pre’,
Ito ang poste nila sa egroup….thread 8701!
From: “cranehead”
Date: Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:30 am
Subject: Re: Pinoy Big Brother Song cranehead
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hahahahahah! i expected that reaction eric. it’s true that it was
inspired by the care’s diamonds and emeralds and chandeliers. i won’t
deny it. what you heard in gweilos was a very rough version. here’s
the story behind that song:
July 22 — i receive a notice that Star Records will commission us to
do a remake of Big Brother Soundtrack (western version). The song was
ok so we agreed to do it.
July 25 — another notice saying that star records prefers a tagalog
version and that the deadline for the final master would be july 31.
July 26 — i received the lyrics from jonathan manalo and decided
against adapting the original soundtrack coz i personally felt it wont
work. so i came up with a new melody line. at that time my playlist
includes Diamonds and Emeralds album hence the inspiration and
adaptation not minding if abs cbn would like our version.
July 29 — i presented the music to star records and guess what they
dig our version.
July 30 & 31 — proper recording in the studio.
Aug 1 — submission of final master
Aug 2 — Video Shoot of the Song Pinoy Ako.
As you see that song is a product of pressure. and i only did what
came naturally to me with regards to the music. the end result was
very favorable to us. i personally like it and proud of it. And for
you to fully scrutinize the song i’m gonna upload it in the file
section. No worries about lawsuits, im sure the care wouldn’t mind.
our guitar and banduria intro notes are way different from chandeliers
and as for the melody line we never exceeded the 7 note rule. this
version has a clear pinoy taste if i may say so and injected our
originality in it. but i would appreciate any further comments from
you mate.
Pinoy Ako! haha!
— In orangeandlemons@yahoogroups.com, “eric76_salvador”
wrote:
> Its the first time I heard the song last night at Gweilo’s Makati. I
> thought the band was joking around because after they announced the
> next song as the PBB song, they played the intro to
> Care’s “Chandeliers”. When Mcoy sang in Tagalog, that’s when I
realised
> that its a different song.
>
> I was going to sing “Your eyes are chandeliers..” sana e. Langya,
> plakadong-plakado yung song!Dedemanda kayo ng Care nyan hahahaha!
>
> eric
NATUWA PA ANG MGA GAGO KASI MGA POSER!
eto pa, message 9251 thread:
From: “cranehead”
Date: Sat Sep 3, 2005 5:45 am
Subject: [orange and lemons] Re: OnL’s Pinoy Big Bro song reminds me of The Care. (to colourfield) cranehead
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Salamat Eric, my intention of making that particular song sound
Carish has received a lot of both positive and negative feedbacks.
but has served my purpose. Now many are wondering who the
hell “Care” is. You might like to give a few inputs mate about them
and their works or if you have previous reviews of their songs and
album. Whoever is really making the music for the Care songs I
respect and love so much just like the level of enthusiasm i had for
Morrissey’s lyricism/performance and Johnny Marr’s music.
don’t worry eric, just like you, i’m neither one of them…
Clem
“I want the one I can’t have, and it’s driving me mad…”
TAPOS, ito ang basahin mo pa,
Music writer blows whistle against Orange and Lemons
By KAYE VILLAGOMEZ
The sore truth is that pop band Orange and Lemons ripped-off “Chandeliers” by ?80s duo The Care and used the melody for “Pinoy Ako” according to music correspondent Giselle Roque who beseeched Manila Bulletin after she read an article this broadsheet published last Oct. 5.
“When I was posting e?mails that certain artists did not ask permission [from The Care] and copied ?Chandeliers, I did not mention Orange and Lemons. But they were the ones who reacted and posted their own defense in turn so that was the time that established na kinopya nila talaga yung kanta,” Roque, who is also the niece of rock icon Sampaguita added.
“?We did make it Carish? went Orange and Lemons ?admission? and they have the guts to say that these are two different songs?” pointed out Roque, who is a friend of Paul Simpson, who wrote and sang “Chandeliers” for the album “Diamonds and Emeralds.”
The other half of The Care duo is Ian Broudie. “Chandeliers” was credited to Broudie/Simpson, like the rest of the songs in the said album, published under Warner Chappell, Ltd. The Care, which was formed in 1983, was most noted for the singles “My Boyish Days,” “Flaming Sword,” and “Whatever Possessed You.”
Roque disclosed to the Bulletin that she could not believe it when Orange and Lemons posted on an e-group mail she received that they were just waiting to be noticed by Simpson and his camp. “They said, At last, this is just what they?ve been waiting for to get noticed. They also said that at least now, people are researching The Cares music. My point is how could people research it if you don?t acknowledge that you got the song from The Care? Ang isinagot ni Clem (Castro of Orange and Lemons) ?E bakit kami magpapaalam? Magpasalamat pa nga ang The Care at pinasikat namin ang kanta nila. It was really frustrating. They even wrote, Do we have to find people who are avid fans of The Care and ask permission from them? Well, if they?d ask me, they didn?t have to track down Care fans, only the person who wrote the song they ripped?off.”
She further revealed that “Orange and Lemons said that they were pressured and did not know what else to do. Since they were listening to The Care, to that effect, they decided na puwede ang Chandeliers. I have the e?mail from Orange and Lemons to prove this including the time line explaining they had to rush the song because ABS-CBN gave them barely a week to do it and record the video for Pinoy Ako.”
The said ?time line,? Roque gathered, came up when earlier queries were thrown against the band in certain e?groups both Orange and Lemons and Roque belong to.
She continued, “At that time they were commissioned to do the melody of the song, they were listening to The Care and thought that it?s some sort of natural tendency to come out with something that sounds like but I?ve heard of ?Pinoy Ako? and that?s not katunog. When I heard on board a bus, I was almost sure that ?Chandelier?s? lyrics are next after the intro so you could just imagine the shock when Tagalog lyrics settled in! I was like ?Oh my God! What is this?? I didn?t know who ripped the song off that time but same thing, I thought ?This is very sad. This is very frustrating.? Then, somebody from the States e?mailed me that they saw it on ABS?CBN?s ?Big Brother.?”
Meanwhile, ABS?CBN?s official statement on the issue was: “ABS-CBN commissioned Orange and Lemons to compose the music, arrange and perform an original song, ?Pinoy Ako,? as the theme of ?Pinoy Big Brother.? Any inquiry with regard to this matter should be addressed to the band and Universal Records (Orange and Lemons music label).”
A staunch believer of Indie musicians and OPM, Roque was prompted to come out after she read the band?s denial in the Bulletin, which she described, “Dumbfounding. How could they (Orange and Lemons) deny they copied the song when I have all the e?mails to prove them wrong?” noted Roque who has been a music writer for Pulp music magazine since 2003.
Paul Simpson happened to be in constant correspondence with Roque “and as a friend of Paul, it?s unfair for Orange and Lemons to rip-off his song without asking for Paul?s permission. They know very well that I can relay the message for them; instead they apologized to me saying ?apologies to ma?am Giselle;? and that they?re sorry if it caused me sleepless nights, that they are willing to treat me out for coffee?which I felt was very insulting?and the best part is that they said they?re sure that The Care wouldn?t mind. I replied to that e?mail and said ?why are you apologizing to me?? They never apologized to Paul or Ian Broudie about the whole event!”
The bottomline was, told Roque sharply is that, “Orange and Lemons are making it sound as if it?s OK to copy melody of a foreign song then use it in their own song that ironically speaks about Filipinos.”
Roque said she had a hard time believing that the local act did rip?off “Chandeliers.” She stressed, “I?ve long heard [of] rumors long before ?Pinoy Ako? became a hit that the song is parehong-pareho ng ?Chandeliers? but of course I did not want to believe because the people from Orange and Lemons are my friends. In fact it was me that firstly introduced them through Pulp magazine and before they were featured, my editor then had to ask me if I really know them. It was quite a struggle before I finally came out with the feature that started their rise.”
Because she had been in constant connection with Simpson, Simpson?s Brit music label Skyray and the label?s representative Nick Halliwell, Roque notified the concerned individuals. “Right now, they are waiting for a move from Warner Chappell?s because they own the rights of the song,” Roque revealed.
Asked why she decided to come out with these allegations, she replied, “Paul is my friend but other than that, I have no stake in this thing. Nothing. I just happen to know the truth and I don?t mind sharing it with people who may have been humming a song they believed [to be] original. You just have to listen to both songs to conclude that it?s a violation of intellectual rights.”
http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2005/10/16/ENTR2005101646835.html
November 11th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
it can’t be just “inspired by”! here’s a full unedited version of “chandeliers” on the left channel, and an almost complete “pinoy ako” on the right channel that shows the two songs are not just similar! check this out: http://media.putfile.com/pinoychandelierstayo
November 29th, 2005 at 1:07 am
Yes, inspired!!!
Orange And Lemons are catching quite a bit of flak for having borrowed their ´Pinoy Ako´ tune from The Care´s ´Chandeliers´. In fact, everyone with ears connected to his brain can hear similarities between both songs. No need to discuss about that.
But - Hey, What´s the problem? Simply tune in on any radiostation, or listen to any R&B song at all and you´ll discover that 95% of today´s music tunes were ´borrowed´ from previous artists. Big Bosses & Accountants from record companies are making Big Money out of this Borrowing-Business. Worldwide.
Why´s it that so many people flame ONL for borrowing, or even getting inspired? I´ve never heard this kind of accusations when an American rapper (or should I say ripper) exposed his loot to the world! Instead, everybody´s dancing on the prey like a herd of wolves on a bloodfeast!
Could it be because ONL are Pinoys? And/Or some people are just jealous of their success? To all people with feelings like that, I must say: You´ve got all the reasons in the world to be jealous! Simply because ONL are a great band, and their latest album Strike Whilst The Iron Is Hot is a real beauty! This record has potentials worldwide and for sure it´s a precious diamond to stay in my record collection forever!
ONL - the humble guys from Bulacan - don´t deserve to be treated like copycats. Jealousy, this human emotion, should clear the fields for pride - also a human emotion very well known in PI but far more valuable.
Did ONL get inspired by The Care? - They did, and never denied. Did ONL steal from The Care? Leave it to the Judge. Did ONL get inspired by the Beatles? - They did. (Who didn´t anyway?) Oh, almost forgotten: Decades ago a certain G. Harrisson (ex-Beatle) was to pay millions of USD to Martha Reeves & Vandellas for ´borrowing´ a simple tune…Oh my sweet Lord…Hallelujah!
Whishing I could sing “Pinoy Ako” - but that would be a lie - Yet I feel so proud of you for having a band like ONL so I sing “Pinoy Kayo”!
Regards - Ricardo (from The Netherlands)
December 8th, 2005 at 2:26 am
labo mo ricardo
March 25th, 2006 at 2:13 pm
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